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By TB on Sep 4, 2007 | In Tips, Secrets and Strategies | 54 feedbacks »
So welcome to TB’s atelier on the fine art of barrel tagging and its place and proper use in the supernal world of surreptitious tactics that all celebrated paintball players have used at one time or the other. This will take you inside the barrel tag with some tactics some explanations and then with some commentary from me on several puerile attitudes that people have towards this tactic. So let’s venture forth on this little jewel of a journey, shall we?
Barrel Tag, You’re dead! It takes a certain kind of player to pull this tactic out of their arsenal. There are some who do it for safety and others who do it for mastery, however all would say that it is one of the most unused and misunderstood tactics in scenario paintball today, followed closely by the “dead man’s walk”, but that is another article. The barrel tag (BT) came about from the need of players who played the first couple of night games to have the ability to take someone out of the game without having to fire a paintball shot to give away your position. It was meant to reward the temperance and sometimes illusory appearance that preface a “dead man’s walk” as well as the tactical movement of getting in close to your opponent.
In scenario paintball the BT is meant to simulate a knife attack. It is meant to be a personal attack of sorts that allow you for the most part in the right situations to continue to advance further then you could if you were constantly firing a shot to eliminate players. There is literally a plethora of stories out there that include a BT story of how someone got the other person under the barrel, so to speak and then proceeded to eliminate them with a quick tap of a barrel on their person and the words ‘Barrel Tag, you’re dead’.
The BT is defined by several people as this:
Barrel Tag - Touching an opponent during a game without shooting them to cause the touched players elimination.
It is regulated by several promoters by these rules:
The General Scenario Rules of Play (GSRP) says that “Barrel Tag is not an option. Once a player touches you with a barrel and says "barrel tag," you are eliminated and MUST take the walk. No point in pulling the trigger when you have a barrel pressed against your side. Do not HIT a player with your barrel! A gentle tap will do!
When a game is allowed off-gun barrel tags, the barrels are to be no shorter than 10 inches in length. The barrels must be in plain sight (not inside pockets, socks, satchels or bags). A barrel tap must be made on one player at a time, with the words "barrel tag" being said each time by the attacker.”By definition of Viper’s Rules is the following; “Barrel-tagging: You may "barrel-tag" players and eliminate them without shooting. The barrel must be at least 8 inches long, and in plain sight (not hidden up your sleeve) and you must immediately say, "Barrel tag!" when you touch them with it. Barrel-tagged players are immediately eliminated, and cannot be healed by medics. No barrel tags are allowed during the "Dinner Battle" or "Final Battle."”
Black Cat has the following definition of barrel tags; “Barrel Tags: This occurs when a player; using a marker, without a barrel blocking device, taps another player lightly on any part of their body. A player must signify, in some verbal manner, that the “tagged” player has been eliminated by a barrel tag. While this is an exception to the physical contact rule, if at any time Event Staff judges a barrel tag to be executed with unnecessary force or violence, the offending player may be ejected from the event with no refund.”
Wayne Dollack does not define barrel tags at his games as a rule of law, but most people will take one so it is able to be used as a tactic. And the same thing with MPP but they do have a stipulation that you may not touch another player or their marker so most people will tell you that he doesn’t allow barrel tags at his events.
So you need to be sure that the event you are at allows barrel tags and how you are supposed to perform these tactics for the person you have out maneuvered to call them out and take the walk. Without that basic knowledge, it may be better to fall back onto the old adage, ‘shoot them all and let the ref sort them out!’
But now that we have how to perform one, let’s look at when and where you should perform one. Now most people will disagree with me on this, but there is a time when the need to BT someone is better then shooting them. Say for instance it is nighttime and you are sneaking into the base, as you come up on players who challenge you, you simple charm, cajole or weasel your way close to them and then a quick tap of the barrel and the words, and you are moving on your way towards the base. Some allow off gun, some allow on gun, but the end result is the same. The person is eliminated and you didn’t have to fire a shot.
Some say that the move is tawdry and unwelcome in a game where so many people exhort that they must be eliminated by a paintball in some way for the sport to retain its honor and integrity as a game. Some feel that if you die in any way other then paintball elimination then you are some meretricious person who has no paintball skills whatsoever. The truth is that to pull off a barrel tag is easy and not requiring a whole lot of skill, but to pull off 15 or 25 or even 40 or so barrel tags in one run is something that is quite impressive and should be told in a fervid and ardent manner so that others can take note and realize that the temperance required to do such a thing and the intelligence to pull off the move while using your skills to inveigle your opponent is something to be admired and duplicated.
Here is where the chintzy person is going to ruin this move and that is where they tell other people that you have barrel tagged them or scream out that you are doing that. There are even some villainous people who will refuse the barrel tag and even shoot you point blank rather then take the barrel tag. Those types of people are some of the worst out there, as there is nothing worse then spending a few minutes moving amongst the opposing players only to have some egregious individual ruin it with the unpardonable solecism and cheap tactics of pointing out your good moves for people to then eliminate you. Now there is a limit I agree, if you walk up to 5 people and barrel tag them and one of them eliminates you with a shot or a barrel tag, then you get what you get If you barrel tag someone and then walk into their ‘dead box’ with them then you deserve to be called out for walking in with ghosts, but if you get barrel tagged, you should do the right thing and start walking without saying anything. After about 20 steps or so at night I like to say ‘dead man walking’ about every 10 steps are so, just so I don’t get any bonus love that some players throw out at night time play.
I have heard some people say that the fact that you have to utter the words ‘Barrel Tag’ when giving the motion is lame and not conducive to barrel tagging or such. That is pretty ludicrous as someone who has been barrel tagging for almost 8 years, and I have done it the same way, every time. I even reverse it, so that if someone walks up to me and says ‘you’re dead’ and touches me with a barrel, I will reply you mean ‘barrel tag’ and touch them. They always seem to get mad and accuse me of bending the rules or not following the spirit of the barrel tag, but I remind them that there are rules. The rules are spelled out and simple to read and follow. If you choose not to use the proper language and motion that is so simply spelled out and in front of you, that tells me you didn’t take the time to read the rest of the rules either. I guarantee you that you will never forget that lesson as someone recently proved when I did it to them like 3 times, they eventually snuck up on me as I was infiltrating the base and said ‘barrel tag, please take the walk’ and I did so and quietly and he wiped out the rest of the infiltration group that was with me, with a great move.
In closing, barrel tags and barrel tagging is something that must be allowed to grow, you should try it sometime, take a pistol or a barrel and just move in the game and see how many people you can get out with a quick tap, just be sure that if you are at a GSRP based or Viper game you say the words ‘Barrel Tag’ otherwise, your really cool move is going to be wasted.
I certainly hoped you enjoyed my verbose vernacular in this story as I attempted to navigate the idiomatic disposition that seems to drown so many of my soliloquies with profanity laced tirades. However, while I can speak like this and write like this, I prefer the mono-syllabic overtones that it seems so many of the masses and the people who read this site understand with no problems. However, I do hope that you enjoyed this tactic piece, feel free to discuss amongst yourselves.
54 comments
Comment from: Indy [Visitor] 
Here is where the chintzy person is going to ruin this move and that is where they tell other people that you have barrel tagged them or scream out that you are doing that.
If you stab me... I'm not gonna scream like a bitch?
09/04/07 @ 15:36
LOL... um not if I stick you in the upper spinal cord severing your ability to speak, moan, gasp or anything else. If held properly then there isn't even any noise. And if your friends cannot see you walk off the field with your hands or gun up and put 2 and 2 together why help them out by screaming this guy just barrel tagged me or watch out? Can you say Dead Man or I'm out, sure you can it isn't against the rules however the rest of it is talking as a dead player. And that is a violation of rules and technically cheating and should result in a judge punch.
09/04/07 @ 15:48
Comment from: beaker [Visitor]
Nice...you sent me to the dictionary on one word. OK it was just to check that you used it correctly but still I'll give you the props.
So did someone suggest a banning of the venerable barrel tag at some event?
So did someone suggest a banning of the venerable barrel tag at some event?
09/04/07 @ 15:51
Comment from: Indy [Visitor]
That's assuming every player on the field is some sort of knife wielding specialist. I know they're not. I've written the role-cards. Half the characters would be lucky to find their asshole with both hands.
Jack Beaur may just be familiar with knife work... but that computer dork is probably not, and you can't have rules that apply to only certain types of characters unless you turned barrel tagging into an MOS ability and legislated it even more specifically.
The point of contention boils down to how loudly can you announce that you're dead. There's no rule in regards to the decibles of the announcement. Ethical? Probably not, but I believe we've already defined "hard-nosed playing" as doing everything you can to win within the existing rule-set, so it wouldn't even be bad sportsmanship.
Don't like it, talk to promoters and get it changed. :)
Jack Beaur may just be familiar with knife work... but that computer dork is probably not, and you can't have rules that apply to only certain types of characters unless you turned barrel tagging into an MOS ability and legislated it even more specifically.
The point of contention boils down to how loudly can you announce that you're dead. There's no rule in regards to the decibles of the announcement. Ethical? Probably not, but I believe we've already defined "hard-nosed playing" as doing everything you can to win within the existing rule-set, so it wouldn't even be bad sportsmanship.
Don't like it, talk to promoters and get it changed. :)
09/04/07 @ 15:58
Comment from: Indy [Visitor]
lemme put some context into my comments...
walking down a line of 30 guys and touching them all lightly... that's pretty fucking lame. Yes, it takes nerve and skill, but that doesn't make it any less lame.
You don't have to dispose of the bodies. You don't have death spasms. You have jack & shit to do other than lightly touch people as you happily cruise up their line. That's a fucking far cry from knifing somebody and dragging their body into the bushes. That would take time that you don't have because you're working your way through the mob.
walking down a line of 30 guys and touching them all lightly... that's pretty fucking lame. Yes, it takes nerve and skill, but that doesn't make it any less lame.
You don't have to dispose of the bodies. You don't have death spasms. You have jack & shit to do other than lightly touch people as you happily cruise up their line. That's a fucking far cry from knifing somebody and dragging their body into the bushes. That would take time that you don't have because you're working your way through the mob.
09/04/07 @ 16:01
I am talking the difference of saying Dead Man and hey this jerk over here just barrel tagged me. You arguing with me on that, Indy? What;s the difference in me shooting you and instead of you saying hit you turn and say there is a guy over here who just shot me. Dead men don't talk whether they are simulating life or not, it isn't a if/or it is a standard when eliminated you don't talk. The only addition is at night when you are encouraged to say something as you are walking through the field so people do not target you. I have no issues with people saying Dead Man, I do have issues with people refusing the BT, or screaming out profanities or pointing me out. Just fucking die, dead man.
09/04/07 @ 16:22
And on the whole talking to promoters thing, nope fuck em. It ain't my job to make their games more fair or fun. I will deal with what they have, I will play the game as given and I will play to win. My caring has cost too much over the years, consider me back in 'TB Mode' where that is concerned. Hope you bitches brought your 'A" game cause I ain't here to teach or make you better. I'm here to be the fuck stick and beat the fuck out of you.
Oh yeah and for you pussies that think that means I am going to 'hurt' you and put your 'health' in danger, you are fucking retards. That means I am going to shut you down, attack your morale, make you feel worthless and send you home with a I just pumped my neighbors cat look on your face. Nothing more and nothing less!
Oh yeah and for you pussies that think that means I am going to 'hurt' you and put your 'health' in danger, you are fucking retards. That means I am going to shut you down, attack your morale, make you feel worthless and send you home with a I just pumped my neighbors cat look on your face. Nothing more and nothing less!
09/04/07 @ 16:25
And no, after 3 games of barrel tagging over 60 people at night games only to have some refuse the BT (shot in the face or back), yell profanities (a 12 year old screaming WTF when I BT'd them), or call across the radio that someone was out there barrel tagging people, where he was, what I was wearing and so forth. All the way to someone walking 5 feet away pulling their BC and shooting me in the back and telling me there is no such thing as a barrel tag. Which then led me to start bunkering people with pistols and shooting them up close and be damned if they didnt go complain on that. So I got complaints that I was barrel taging people, or shooting people with a pistol chronoed at 240. Pretty soon I am just going to start handing out flowers.
09/04/07 @ 16:36
Comment from: beaker [Visitor]
Yeah there are some dweebs out there whenit comes to getting barrel tagged--heck even just straight dead men talking.
I recall a game over at PBUSA that I played. We were on the back road-you know the one way way back there. There was nobody on the road except one lone dead red player (barrel sock on, called out to us he was dead) walking toward us. He had apparently come down the road before we jumped out of the woods and he ran into some of our guys. Anyway we are skirting the woods rather than beating the bush and this dork keys up his radio and tells his team mates that there are about 30 of us on the back road coming toward the red base. Now the reds didn't manage to react in time or certainly with enough force that we had any problems but I definitely had a problem with what happened. How blatant can you be?
I've also seen folks surrender then turn and shoot the person they surrendered to. These types of folks just need 10 guys unloading their hoppers on each of them.
These are the folks that I label as cheaters. I don't care that you burn me on a technicality in the rules.Hey I read the rules and didn't see the "feature" (as indy puts it) that you did. I will think more outside the box next go around.
I recall a game over at PBUSA that I played. We were on the back road-you know the one way way back there. There was nobody on the road except one lone dead red player (barrel sock on, called out to us he was dead) walking toward us. He had apparently come down the road before we jumped out of the woods and he ran into some of our guys. Anyway we are skirting the woods rather than beating the bush and this dork keys up his radio and tells his team mates that there are about 30 of us on the back road coming toward the red base. Now the reds didn't manage to react in time or certainly with enough force that we had any problems but I definitely had a problem with what happened. How blatant can you be?
I've also seen folks surrender then turn and shoot the person they surrendered to. These types of folks just need 10 guys unloading their hoppers on each of them.
These are the folks that I label as cheaters. I don't care that you burn me on a technicality in the rules.Hey I read the rules and didn't see the "feature" (as indy puts it) that you did. I will think more outside the box next go around.
09/04/07 @ 17:39
Comment from: Motherhen [Visitor]
I have always seen the barrel tag as one of the best moves to do in a scenario game.
Seriously, I don't see how anyone can have an issue with it, the move itself is just balls-out cool.
Seriously, I don't see how anyone can have an issue with it, the move itself is just balls-out cool.
09/04/07 @ 18:20
Comment from: Radical [Visitor]
Night? Barrel tags at night are for amateurs. Bob and I barrel tagged all of the base defense at Splatt Bros in Va. and got a general kill on Trapper, at the same time our team started an offensive and the dumbasses shot me when I tagged the last one out. According to Bob when they finally got into the base after listening to him say it was clear for 5 minutes, they asked where everyone was and did not believe what we did in broad daylight.
09/04/07 @ 19:09
Comment from: Radical [Visitor]
There is something so right in the look in someones eyes when you BT them. The shoulders go up they are Mad at you for making them look foolish. Then the shoulders go down, they are mad at themselves for trusting you. Then they shake their head and walk off sadder for the experience. Classic!
To make it better sliding into someone's bunker and telling them to watch out for people saying Barrel tag you are dead and then tagging them and saying Barrel tag you are dead, the normally say "I know there are barrel taggers out there", then explaining to them they are dead. "Why"? " Because I barrel tagged you" "What team are you on"? "Does it really matter? You are dead"
We wont even talk about crossing creeks in the middle of the night with Od...
To make it better sliding into someone's bunker and telling them to watch out for people saying Barrel tag you are dead and then tagging them and saying Barrel tag you are dead, the normally say "I know there are barrel taggers out there", then explaining to them they are dead. "Why"? " Because I barrel tagged you" "What team are you on"? "Does it really matter? You are dead"
We wont even talk about crossing creeks in the middle of the night with Od...
09/04/07 @ 19:37
Comment from: TB [Member] Email · http://www.thunderstruckscenarioteam.com
And no, after 3 games of barrel tagging over 60 people at night games only to have some refuse the BT (shot in the face or back), yell profanities (a 12 year old screaming WTF when I BT'd them), or call across the radio that someone was out there barrel tagging people, where he was, what I was wearing and so forth. All the way to someone walking 5 feet away pulling their BC and shooting me in the back and telling me there is no such thing as a barrel tag. Which then led me to start bunkering people with pistols and shooting them up close and be damned if they didnt go complain on that. So I got complaints that I was barrel taging people, or shooting people with a pistol chronoed at 240. Pretty soon I am just going to start handing out flowers.
That's why I hand our cheap Barbie dolls sometimes.
09/04/07 @ 21:12
TB
I saw that post on PBNation and if I posted on that facist site (the mods shuting down threads is more facist like the liberalistic per your other post) I would have taken him to task for his stupidity with regards to saying barrel tag. I'm glad you took care of it.
I saw that post on PBNation and if I posted on that facist site (the mods shuting down threads is more facist like the liberalistic per your other post) I would have taken him to task for his stupidity with regards to saying barrel tag. I'm glad you took care of it.
09/04/07 @ 21:42
Comment from: 10-shot kid [Visitor]
Personally I just think the rule is lame. I don't think a player is quite as lame for using it to his advantage, but the rule is lame. Its obvious purpose is to stop some lame ass move of barrle tapping 30 people in a row at a security checkpoint and going "haha" then taking all the POWS for 50 points each at ION 05 and making Skirmish look even more like crap...
And yea I've done that with a friend. The original plan I had, and wished we had carried out, was to trigger a massive masacare of epic proportions inside the pentagon that would increase my sides moral and greatly decrease the others at the expense of many many people getting lit up point blank. It would have been glorious, but that is niether here nor there.
I've been barrle tapping people since my first game in 99. Perhaps it's just diffrent in the SE but I've never had to say "barrle tag!" Thus when I have to change from saying "your out, please walk off the field, dead men don't talk" or "Your done" or just handing them my "YOUR OUT! Complements of the 10-shot kid" business cards I carry in my brest pocket it throws me. Yea, I got the rule at the briefing, but as you experienced on the field my memory sucks enough to forget to drop a bloody mission card. I still feel retarded about that :P
I figure that a lot of people are creatures of habit like me. A sudden change in the habbit isn't adapted quickly, espicially in a "holy crap yes" situation. Making someone say a phrase that's both very specific to the situation and alien totally throws people off.
Does "your out!" not convey the same exact message as "barrle tag!" to everyone that hears it? Why keep a specifc phrase the rule when it can easily lead to a heated convo. We've both apparently had people spin on us after a tag. I dunno about you but I shoot for soft spots when a douche bag pulls a spin. So if I barrle tagged someone and didn't remember "oh yea I gotta say yabba dabba doo motherfucker!" and he spins I'm going to think he's like every other person that has ever spinned on me, and he's going to get the same treatment. Similar to the treatment you saw me give 2 people that day who deserved it. That said if you simply underbarrled me and said "you mean barrle tag" I'd get a good laugh in and get you to admit I at least touched you first, yay for me.
What I hope is that you don't think I had any problem with what you pulled at the base. The story I heard from a 3rd party was that the person put his hand on your shoulder then went to your partner who was there as a distraction. Even if he touched you with the barrle but didn't say the magic words I still think it was a fair move. Other people saw you just waltz away without calling out or anything, they had the chance to get you, and didn't. They admitted feeling silly about it latter to me.
In the end the rules are obviously the rules and if you don't follow them you lose out. I was simply pointing out what I saw as a problem with the rules that ought to be changed. I personally was quasi tiffed that my view on the rules where applied to player action, it's two entirely diffrent things.
And yea I've done that with a friend. The original plan I had, and wished we had carried out, was to trigger a massive masacare of epic proportions inside the pentagon that would increase my sides moral and greatly decrease the others at the expense of many many people getting lit up point blank. It would have been glorious, but that is niether here nor there.
I've been barrle tapping people since my first game in 99. Perhaps it's just diffrent in the SE but I've never had to say "barrle tag!" Thus when I have to change from saying "your out, please walk off the field, dead men don't talk" or "Your done" or just handing them my "YOUR OUT! Complements of the 10-shot kid" business cards I carry in my brest pocket it throws me. Yea, I got the rule at the briefing, but as you experienced on the field my memory sucks enough to forget to drop a bloody mission card. I still feel retarded about that :P
I figure that a lot of people are creatures of habit like me. A sudden change in the habbit isn't adapted quickly, espicially in a "holy crap yes" situation. Making someone say a phrase that's both very specific to the situation and alien totally throws people off.
Does "your out!" not convey the same exact message as "barrle tag!" to everyone that hears it? Why keep a specifc phrase the rule when it can easily lead to a heated convo. We've both apparently had people spin on us after a tag. I dunno about you but I shoot for soft spots when a douche bag pulls a spin. So if I barrle tagged someone and didn't remember "oh yea I gotta say yabba dabba doo motherfucker!" and he spins I'm going to think he's like every other person that has ever spinned on me, and he's going to get the same treatment. Similar to the treatment you saw me give 2 people that day who deserved it. That said if you simply underbarrled me and said "you mean barrle tag" I'd get a good laugh in and get you to admit I at least touched you first, yay for me.
What I hope is that you don't think I had any problem with what you pulled at the base. The story I heard from a 3rd party was that the person put his hand on your shoulder then went to your partner who was there as a distraction. Even if he touched you with the barrle but didn't say the magic words I still think it was a fair move. Other people saw you just waltz away without calling out or anything, they had the chance to get you, and didn't. They admitted feeling silly about it latter to me.
In the end the rules are obviously the rules and if you don't follow them you lose out. I was simply pointing out what I saw as a problem with the rules that ought to be changed. I personally was quasi tiffed that my view on the rules where applied to player action, it's two entirely diffrent things.
09/05/07 @ 00:30
Understandable, the thing to remember is that this rule and the statements that go with it have been in place since I started playing MXS games and Viper games in 1999 as well. Since MXS travelled the country and did several games at EMR that rule never changed or was added to. And it was always a problem at EMR, because EMR doesn't allow Barrel Tags on any other given day.
I certainly enjoyed watching you shoot that PA Brew Crew guy in the face, and more the so the commentary afterwards. However while you feel the change of habit to have to say it, the change would the opposite for me and hundreds of players like me who have used the GSRP and Viper rules for so long.
The purpose is debatable to lots of people, some say it was a throwback to the day of having a barrel in your sock and walking around touching people and saying have a nice day, good game or shit like that and then turning around and saying I just killed all of you. To me it was also done to make sure you read and remember the rules. Most of the time you sign a form that states that you have read and agree to follow the rules. Not an attack to you, just a statement to all.
I will give you the story at the base since this seems to be some contention for several people. ;) But not yet!
I certainly enjoyed watching you shoot that PA Brew Crew guy in the face, and more the so the commentary afterwards. However while you feel the change of habit to have to say it, the change would the opposite for me and hundreds of players like me who have used the GSRP and Viper rules for so long.
The purpose is debatable to lots of people, some say it was a throwback to the day of having a barrel in your sock and walking around touching people and saying have a nice day, good game or shit like that and then turning around and saying I just killed all of you. To me it was also done to make sure you read and remember the rules. Most of the time you sign a form that states that you have read and agree to follow the rules. Not an attack to you, just a statement to all.
I will give you the story at the base since this seems to be some contention for several people. ;) But not yet!
09/05/07 @ 06:54
Well, I barrel-tagged one of my BITM darlins' with his own marker. Told him he had a nice gun and asked if I could see it. Apparently he laid the barrel on me (I don't remember him doing that, and when I pull that move, I'm always very careful to make sure it doesn't 'backfire' on me) but never said the words. When he handed me his gun, I promptly barrel-tagged him with it, said 'Barrel-tag' and handed it back.
He told me what he'd done (laying the barrel on me) and I told him it didn't count without him saying the words. He and I discussed it a bit, and he put his condom on his gun and walked away.
Is it cheesy? Not many enemy combatants are going to hand you their weapon outside of Bagdad in the 'real' world. But this isn't the real world; it's scenario.
It simulates the real world as close as it can and has a mechanical component to it that must be followed for it to be done properly. I like to think that its the 'bonus' for reading the rules (that I know how to kill you and even if you get close enough to kill me, you're probably gonna do it wrong and it won't count). Everyone is expected to read the rules and follow them.
In the real world, when you are given a license to drive a car, you are expected to KNOW and OBEY the rules of the road. You might not know all of the rules (especially if you are in another state) but ignorance is no excuse. Unknowingly or willfully breaking a law is just that: breaking a law...and it could get you in some serious trouble.
Oh, and before anyone goes there, it doesn't make me a 'rules lawyer' either...knowing the rules makes me scenario smart. If you wanna play dumb in MY world, you get what you get.
He told me what he'd done (laying the barrel on me) and I told him it didn't count without him saying the words. He and I discussed it a bit, and he put his condom on his gun and walked away.
Is it cheesy? Not many enemy combatants are going to hand you their weapon outside of Bagdad in the 'real' world. But this isn't the real world; it's scenario.
It simulates the real world as close as it can and has a mechanical component to it that must be followed for it to be done properly. I like to think that its the 'bonus' for reading the rules (that I know how to kill you and even if you get close enough to kill me, you're probably gonna do it wrong and it won't count). Everyone is expected to read the rules and follow them.
In the real world, when you are given a license to drive a car, you are expected to KNOW and OBEY the rules of the road. You might not know all of the rules (especially if you are in another state) but ignorance is no excuse. Unknowingly or willfully breaking a law is just that: breaking a law...and it could get you in some serious trouble.
Oh, and before anyone goes there, it doesn't make me a 'rules lawyer' either...knowing the rules makes me scenario smart. If you wanna play dumb in MY world, you get what you get.
09/05/07 @ 08:27
Comment from: Kiwi [Visitor]
I personally don't have a problem with barrel tagging.
While I certainly don't walk down the line of 30 players, tagging each one on my merry way (I'm usually assigned to some other higher task by the command staff), I'm not going to talk bad about those that do it themselves.
I use barrel tags at night mainly because I'd rather not hurt someone by shooting them from 5ft away, and I'm thankful when someone gives me the same courtesy.
While I certainly don't walk down the line of 30 players, tagging each one on my merry way (I'm usually assigned to some other higher task by the command staff), I'm not going to talk bad about those that do it themselves.
I use barrel tags at night mainly because I'd rather not hurt someone by shooting them from 5ft away, and I'm thankful when someone gives me the same courtesy.
09/05/07 @ 08:28
Comment from: Bob \\\"Motherhen\\\" Fransioli [Visitor]
Personally, I completely support the use of only ONE phrase "barrel tag" and nothing else. Everybody now gets it or should.
What happened with how TB handled the WRONG statement used on him whether you agree with it or not, is good thing because now we all get it……….use the words "barrel tag" and nothing else.
To have a defined SINGLE phrase is much better than what happened to me BEFORE the rule was enacted.
I was the last in line during a night patrol and a guy came up behind me and put the tip of his barrel on the side of my neck…..and says something to the effect of that he'd pull the trigger if I didn't call myself out. Without a rule in place at that time, I had no recourse with the player, producer or anyone else to even DISCUSS what could be done to alleviate what I saw as a dangerous situation.
Needles to say, I called myself out. In my opinion this was dangerous and not an example of a great paintball move. Because folks now at least know there is some sort of rule about barrel tags even if they use the wrong verbiage, the actual act of putting a barrel on a neck with the threat of shooting someone won't happen again. With a rule about "barrel tagging" in place, folks now at least try for the tag. That should mean that the situation I was put in shouldn't even come close to happening again.
I for one like the barrel tag rule which includes the correct verbiage "barrel tag" because in theory, everyone knows exactly what it means whether giving or receiving. TB just has a different style of making that point clear....crystal....;c)
What happened with how TB handled the WRONG statement used on him whether you agree with it or not, is good thing because now we all get it……….use the words "barrel tag" and nothing else.
To have a defined SINGLE phrase is much better than what happened to me BEFORE the rule was enacted.
I was the last in line during a night patrol and a guy came up behind me and put the tip of his barrel on the side of my neck…..and says something to the effect of that he'd pull the trigger if I didn't call myself out. Without a rule in place at that time, I had no recourse with the player, producer or anyone else to even DISCUSS what could be done to alleviate what I saw as a dangerous situation.
Needles to say, I called myself out. In my opinion this was dangerous and not an example of a great paintball move. Because folks now at least know there is some sort of rule about barrel tags even if they use the wrong verbiage, the actual act of putting a barrel on a neck with the threat of shooting someone won't happen again. With a rule about "barrel tagging" in place, folks now at least try for the tag. That should mean that the situation I was put in shouldn't even come close to happening again.
I for one like the barrel tag rule which includes the correct verbiage "barrel tag" because in theory, everyone knows exactly what it means whether giving or receiving. TB just has a different style of making that point clear....crystal....;c)
09/05/07 @ 08:29
Comment from: beaker [Visitor]
10-shot does not like saying barrel tag...huh?
I think having a "standardized" call if you will is easier to deal with and prevents potential conflicts. I have all sorts of people come up to me and say all sorts of things. How is one to know when they are barrel tagged if everybody says what they want? It's like the rule that says the ball must break and leave a certain sized mark, bounces do not count. It's defining the way you get elimintated so everybody is playing the same game.
I know it seems lame to have to do so but you have to remember the 'tards you are dealing with. Like TB I'm used to saying "barrel tag, you're out" Or "barrel tag, be cool about it buddy." But if I said something else I would not be suprised if someone turned and fired because the rules are indeed the rules. Saying at each barrel tag is good too, it keeps someone from running down a line of people then at the end saying everybody over there is out, I just barrel tagged everyone of you. Now you will get teh douche bag that screams he's been barrel tagged while you are trying to move to the next guy...barrel tagging is risky because of just that sort of behavior. It is with in the rules to announce you are out but it's really kind of weak to do that to someone that got one over on you. Most players I have encountered take the tag and walk off.
I think having a "standardized" call if you will is easier to deal with and prevents potential conflicts. I have all sorts of people come up to me and say all sorts of things. How is one to know when they are barrel tagged if everybody says what they want? It's like the rule that says the ball must break and leave a certain sized mark, bounces do not count. It's defining the way you get elimintated so everybody is playing the same game.
I know it seems lame to have to do so but you have to remember the 'tards you are dealing with. Like TB I'm used to saying "barrel tag, you're out" Or "barrel tag, be cool about it buddy." But if I said something else I would not be suprised if someone turned and fired because the rules are indeed the rules. Saying at each barrel tag is good too, it keeps someone from running down a line of people then at the end saying everybody over there is out, I just barrel tagged everyone of you. Now you will get teh douche bag that screams he's been barrel tagged while you are trying to move to the next guy...barrel tagging is risky because of just that sort of behavior. It is with in the rules to announce you are out but it's really kind of weak to do that to someone that got one over on you. Most players I have encountered take the tag and walk off.
09/05/07 @ 08:36
Comment from: Indy [Visitor]
2 seperate issues.
TB, I'm not talking about jumping up and down and going "OMG HE'S RIGHT HERE!". Simply going "HIT!" loudly and walking off, not talking beyond that. It tends to royally screw the barrel tagger, but it's perfectly legit within any promoter's rule-set. I don't care if you shoot me or not. Hell, when's the last time you actually saw me play at night anyways? I was either generaling, or wearing nightvision. I can't see at night. I'm more dangerous to myself than anybody else.
For barrel-tags at some fields and not all.. really, imho, there should be some sort of unified rule-set. Unfortunately, when it was attempted, it was hijacked, so I doubt anybody will ever attempt it again.
TB, I'm not talking about jumping up and down and going "OMG HE'S RIGHT HERE!". Simply going "HIT!" loudly and walking off, not talking beyond that. It tends to royally screw the barrel tagger, but it's perfectly legit within any promoter's rule-set. I don't care if you shoot me or not. Hell, when's the last time you actually saw me play at night anyways? I was either generaling, or wearing nightvision. I can't see at night. I'm more dangerous to myself than anybody else.
For barrel-tags at some fields and not all.. really, imho, there should be some sort of unified rule-set. Unfortunately, when it was attempted, it was hijacked, so I doubt anybody will ever attempt it again.
09/05/07 @ 08:48
10-shot:
If you can talk them into 'dead' by handing them a business card, then they are just as dead. Once they plug that gun, they have assumed the posture of an eliminated player. I have talked people into 'dead' many a time. It's a glue eater's 'tax' for not knowing the rules.
But a smart scenario player will know a business card that says 'You're dead but thanks for playing' can't kill them and will.....well, let's just say:
Welcome to the dead box. Population: YOU
If you can talk them into 'dead' by handing them a business card, then they are just as dead. Once they plug that gun, they have assumed the posture of an eliminated player. I have talked people into 'dead' many a time. It's a glue eater's 'tax' for not knowing the rules.
But a smart scenario player will know a business card that says 'You're dead but thanks for playing' can't kill them and will.....well, let's just say:
Welcome to the dead box. Population: YOU
09/05/07 @ 08:49
Comment from: ShadowFire [Visitor]
From TB: "Understandable, the thing to remember is that this rule and the statements that go with it have been in place since I started playing MXS games and Viper games in 1999 as well."
You sure about this TB?? When I first started playing Viper games I seem to remember you could say whatever you wanted when barrel tagging. The change to having to say the exact words of "Barrel tag" didn't come until later.
You sure about this TB?? When I first started playing Viper games I seem to remember you could say whatever you wanted when barrel tagging. The change to having to say the exact words of "Barrel tag" didn't come until later.
09/05/07 @ 08:59
Comment from: Radical [Visitor]
Indy, I agree you can say hit, and walk away after a barrel tag, but, I always considered this poor form. When someone takes the time to get that close and manages to barrel tag me I give them their props by walking away and putting on my BBD. To each his own though.
09/05/07 @ 09:30
Comment from: Indy [Visitor]
In my opinion it's bad form too... BUT.. it's about being "hard-nosed" and doing everything within the rule-set to win. So if somebody does it to you, and you proclaim yourself a hardnosed player, you have no right to complain about it. That's the only point I'm trying to get across :)
09/05/07 @ 10:43
Comment from: 10-shot kid [Visitor]
"However while you feel the change of habit to have to say it, the change would the opposite for me and hundreds of players like me who have used the GSRP and Viper rules for so long."
I'm not saying to throw the baby out with the bath water, "barrle tag" gets the same point across as "your out." I totally agree that there should be a rule that some verbal notification a barrle tag took place should be in effect.
"I certainly enjoyed watching you shoot that PA Brew Crew guy in the face, and more the so the commentary afterwards."
I was talking about the guy who spun on me then complained about overshooting and the guy in wall 4 who had trouble taking his first hit. The little tiff with the PAbrew crew guy was just diffrent cultures clashing. "I can shoot you again" is a common way of saying "Get the hell out" at EMR, I really don't think he was trying to accuse Nudi of cheating. I understand you wouldn't know that if you didn't know the fields culture and understand you deal with that BS a lot where you come from. I ment to explain it to you at the field but... suprise forgot :P
"me it was also done to make sure you read and remember the rules. Most of the time you sign a form that states that you have read and agree to follow the rules. Not an attack to you, just a statement to all."
I don't take it as an attack at all which is why if you under barrled me and went "you ment barrle tag" I'd get a laugh from my mistake. On the other hand if I tagged you, said "your out" and then you spun on me I'd think you where like every other person that spun on me. Only because small verbal changes briefly gone over in the rulebook/briefing are things I tend to forget... Just like droping mission cards. Of course after this convo I won't forget the rule again just like I won't forget to drop a mission card again after feeling retarded.
"Everyone is expected to read the rules and follow them." (nudi)
agreed, which is why I'm only debating the rule not players actions within the rules. It's two entirely diffrent subjects. Once again my view on both your and TB's moves in refrence to saying "barrle tag" or not is that you guys where in the right. A bounce doesn't count during the day, neiether does a tag not done within the rules. I just don't like the specific narrow verbage of the rule, that's all.
BOB: After having way too many kids spin on me over a barrle tag I always touch the barrle to someones neck when I say "your out" they just actually go out much more often. They also are far less likely to try and draw attention to my barrle tag out of fear or reprisal.
Nudi: I always tap the guy and THEN hand the card while the barrle is still on his/her neck.
Again I think giving aclear verbal notification you just barrle tagged someone is nessecary, I just think "barrle tag" is too specific. In any other situation is which you take someone out the phrase "your out!" is always used. Changing the phrase for a very specific very close range situation is just in my opinion a bad choice. That's all.
I'm not saying to throw the baby out with the bath water, "barrle tag" gets the same point across as "your out." I totally agree that there should be a rule that some verbal notification a barrle tag took place should be in effect.
"I certainly enjoyed watching you shoot that PA Brew Crew guy in the face, and more the so the commentary afterwards."
I was talking about the guy who spun on me then complained about overshooting and the guy in wall 4 who had trouble taking his first hit. The little tiff with the PAbrew crew guy was just diffrent cultures clashing. "I can shoot you again" is a common way of saying "Get the hell out" at EMR, I really don't think he was trying to accuse Nudi of cheating. I understand you wouldn't know that if you didn't know the fields culture and understand you deal with that BS a lot where you come from. I ment to explain it to you at the field but... suprise forgot :P
"me it was also done to make sure you read and remember the rules. Most of the time you sign a form that states that you have read and agree to follow the rules. Not an attack to you, just a statement to all."
I don't take it as an attack at all which is why if you under barrled me and went "you ment barrle tag" I'd get a laugh from my mistake. On the other hand if I tagged you, said "your out" and then you spun on me I'd think you where like every other person that spun on me. Only because small verbal changes briefly gone over in the rulebook/briefing are things I tend to forget... Just like droping mission cards. Of course after this convo I won't forget the rule again just like I won't forget to drop a mission card again after feeling retarded.
"Everyone is expected to read the rules and follow them." (nudi)
agreed, which is why I'm only debating the rule not players actions within the rules. It's two entirely diffrent subjects. Once again my view on both your and TB's moves in refrence to saying "barrle tag" or not is that you guys where in the right. A bounce doesn't count during the day, neiether does a tag not done within the rules. I just don't like the specific narrow verbage of the rule, that's all.
BOB: After having way too many kids spin on me over a barrle tag I always touch the barrle to someones neck when I say "your out" they just actually go out much more often. They also are far less likely to try and draw attention to my barrle tag out of fear or reprisal.
Nudi: I always tap the guy and THEN hand the card while the barrle is still on his/her neck.
Again I think giving aclear verbal notification you just barrle tagged someone is nessecary, I just think "barrle tag" is too specific. In any other situation is which you take someone out the phrase "your out!" is always used. Changing the phrase for a very specific very close range situation is just in my opinion a bad choice. That's all.
09/05/07 @ 12:40
Comment from: Dragon [Visitor]
One of the reasons for the rule about saying "Barrel Tag" came about is because of players that would run down a line and "drop" their business cards on each player. Those cards would say "You've just been barrel tagged by "so and so" of Team "whatever". Have a nice day."
The concept of barrel tagging is supposed to simulate an up close and personal knifing. Therefore it would be bad form to do anything other than just plug your gun. You do of course have those asshats that will holler out "Oh Great, I'm Out, I just got Barrel Tagged". and that of course is a dead man talking which does violate the rules.
If a player has bested you by sneaking up on you and gets close enough to tap you with their barrel you should at least accept the fact that you have been bested and take the walk in silence. Some glueeatingasshatPABs just never learn the concept of being an honorable player.
The concept of barrel tagging is supposed to simulate an up close and personal knifing. Therefore it would be bad form to do anything other than just plug your gun. You do of course have those asshats that will holler out "Oh Great, I'm Out, I just got Barrel Tagged". and that of course is a dead man talking which does violate the rules.
If a player has bested you by sneaking up on you and gets close enough to tap you with their barrel you should at least accept the fact that you have been bested and take the walk in silence. Some glueeatingasshatPABs just never learn the concept of being an honorable player.
09/05/07 @ 12:41
LOL, it sounds like you are trying to take me to task Indy. And you are missing the point in your haste to point out the irony in your posts. I dont care that they sing out that they are dead, I am not trying to get some super secret BT code. I simply don't neccesarily feel the need to shoot everyone point blank when I am moving. I have no issues in doing that as some can attest to this past weekend. I do not like barrel tagging some 12 year old and he scream WTF and then yell out watch out for this guy he is barrel tagging people, which leads to his dad getting shot in the face at less then 10 feet, who wants to get mad at me.
I do not always walk away quietyl, sometimes I say very distinctly Dead Man, and as a 'hard nosed' player you have to expect that. Hence my lack of conscience when it comes to pulling the trigger even up close and personal. That's the reason my gun is chroned under 250 even during the day. Because I will shoot you in the back with no qualms.
Do you understand now, Indy? Or is all that code making you sick?
I do not always walk away quietyl, sometimes I say very distinctly Dead Man, and as a 'hard nosed' player you have to expect that. Hence my lack of conscience when it comes to pulling the trigger even up close and personal. That's the reason my gun is chroned under 250 even during the day. Because I will shoot you in the back with no qualms.
Do you understand now, Indy? Or is all that code making you sick?
09/05/07 @ 13:40
Comment from: Radical [Visitor]
Indy, I am not mad at the ones that say hit, it is a spoiler of fun but comes with the territory. Just like some yo-yo that gets nervous and shoots you from 1 foot because he is afraid you are going to barrel tag him like you did his three buddies.
That being said, if I recognized the spoiler later he is definetly going to be near the end of the barrel tag line so if someone else does blow my game, the spoiler gets shot first. Unfortunately after a few night time visits to the enemy base, it just ends up being easier to get in the center and just start blasting the guards on the perimeter. Starting a Command Post fraticide party is another good time.
That being said, if I recognized the spoiler later he is definetly going to be near the end of the barrel tag line so if someone else does blow my game, the spoiler gets shot first. Unfortunately after a few night time visits to the enemy base, it just ends up being easier to get in the center and just start blasting the guards on the perimeter. Starting a Command Post fraticide party is another good time.
09/05/07 @ 14:24
Comment from: Repoman [Visitor]
I think you must say "Barrel tag"...period. That makes your action clear to any who understand the rules, and as stated before...if they don't understand that they prolly didn't read the rules for the game and should do so.
that being said... slitting a throat with one of our knives is fun and i thank the promoters that allow it.
i have and do remind the team members that go out with them to say Barrel Tag. It really is a rush to pull on the mask and go onto the field with just your knife.
that being said... slitting a throat with one of our knives is fun and i thank the promoters that allow it.
i have and do remind the team members that go out with them to say Barrel Tag. It really is a rush to pull on the mask and go onto the field with just your knife.
09/05/07 @ 15:50
Comment from: Indy [Visitor]
Hahah! Code is driving me nuts. Ask Viper for a peek to see all the wierd ass pictures I used for menus.
Maybe I read this bit wrong.
I just don't think should be calling somebody cheap when a loud "DEAD MAN" is something you've done yourself =P
That's the difference. You still called it cheap. I think it's a perfectly legit move and probably more realistic than some ninja knifing 60 guys in 15 minutes without a peep.
Maybe I read this bit wrong.
Here is where the chintzy person is going to ruin this move and that is where they tell other people that you have barrel tagged them or scream out that you are doing that.
I just don't think should be calling somebody cheap when a loud "DEAD MAN" is something you've done yourself =P
That's the difference. You still called it cheap. I think it's a perfectly legit move and probably more realistic than some ninja knifing 60 guys in 15 minutes without a peep.
09/05/07 @ 16:15
Comment from: Indy [Visitor]
Radical,
I geuss I'm a spoiler. I don't do anything outside of the rules, but you have to be willing to pay the price if you're gonna start a barrel tag run.
I geuss I'm a spoiler. I don't do anything outside of the rules, but you have to be willing to pay the price if you're gonna start a barrel tag run.
09/05/07 @ 16:18
You are once again missing the point. For someone so smart you seem to not be grasping this simple concept.
You are allowed to say the words 'Dead man' when you are eliminated. A loud one or a quiet one.
You are not allowed to talk on the radio, yell this guy just barrel tagged me, scream this is some bullshit, or what the fuck, or hey some guy is over here barrel tagging people. You are not allowed any of that!
If you cannot see the difference in what I just posted, then you need to hang up the keyboard and grab a paintball gun and then you will see what I mean.
You are allowed to say the words 'Dead man' when you are eliminated. A loud one or a quiet one.
You are not allowed to talk on the radio, yell this guy just barrel tagged me, scream this is some bullshit, or what the fuck, or hey some guy is over here barrel tagging people. You are not allowed any of that!
If you cannot see the difference in what I just posted, then you need to hang up the keyboard and grab a paintball gun and then you will see what I mean.
09/05/07 @ 16:23
Comment from: Ninja [Visitor]
Indy wrote "I think it's a perfectly legit move and probably more realistic than some ninja knifing 60 guys in 15 minutes without a peep."
I've never claimed to knife 60 guys in 15 minutes, but I did get 25 in 15 minutes.....
Serioulsy, I love barrel tags, it is a very cool thing, and I respect the people who get them on me... even at creek crossings.. I think it is a great part of scenario ball, and shame on the people who didnt read the rules, or if did and didnt understand them, didnt ask questions...
Only been outed once when barrel tagging, and he was the first one I shot, before targeting others. When he bitched,I replied, I thought you thought you were STILL IN since you were talking, and DEAD MEN DONT TALK...
I've never claimed to knife 60 guys in 15 minutes, but I did get 25 in 15 minutes.....
Serioulsy, I love barrel tags, it is a very cool thing, and I respect the people who get them on me... even at creek crossings.. I think it is a great part of scenario ball, and shame on the people who didnt read the rules, or if did and didnt understand them, didnt ask questions...
Only been outed once when barrel tagging, and he was the first one I shot, before targeting others. When he bitched,I replied, I thought you thought you were STILL IN since you were talking, and DEAD MEN DONT TALK...
09/05/07 @ 17:02
Comment from: Radical [Visitor]
TB, I think Indy was replying to me, he is only saying that he is allowed to call hit if you barrel tag him. Sportmanship says not too but gamemanship says it is okay. He is not going to say "He barrel-tagged me, get him", just announcing in a loud clear voice that he is hit and there is no reason to keep abusing him with overtapping.
Indy, everytime I decide to go on a barrel tagging spree, day or night I know someone is probably going to either shoot me from too close, or is going to narc me out. I plan on this, and when it does happen I am not mad at the narc, the close shooter normally gets a Thank You in French under my breath but like I said it is the price I pay for fun.
BTW saying Hit is not narcing me out, saying "watch out this guy is barrel tagging folks" is though..
Indy, everytime I decide to go on a barrel tagging spree, day or night I know someone is probably going to either shoot me from too close, or is going to narc me out. I plan on this, and when it does happen I am not mad at the narc, the close shooter normally gets a Thank You in French under my breath but like I said it is the price I pay for fun.
BTW saying Hit is not narcing me out, saying "watch out this guy is barrel tagging folks" is though..
09/05/07 @ 18:19
Comment from: Ninja [Visitor]
Like Radical, I also expect to be narc'd out, or shot up close and personal....But I am willing to pay that price if it occurs, but when/if it doesn't, even better.
09/05/07 @ 22:52
Of course when they do narc you out you can do what we do....blame a teammate and then gun up on him. In all the confusion the rest of the guys should be easy to barrel tag. Hey Ninja ..remember poor little Wedge :)
09/06/07 @ 01:29
Comment from: Radical [Visitor]
Qzar, that is horrible,and definetly something to listen to someone on your team complain about around campfires for many years to come, Some one has to be sold down the river and better him then me!
09/06/07 @ 11:32
Comment from: Ninja [Visitor]
I had actually forgotten about that one Qzar.... That was some fsst thinking on our part at Hurricane Paintball during the night game in the town......
09/06/07 @ 12:49
Comment from: steve davidson [Visitor]
TB: your history of the origin of the barrel tag is a bit off - unless you were referring strictly to its history in scenario games.
The barrel tag was instituted by many fields years ago as an alternative to the verbal surrender rule (because people were abusing the distance they called surrender from) and/or as an alternative to distance limits on shooting people - as in: if you are closer then ten feet, you may not shoot but you can barrel tag/ask for surrender.
Most good fields and most good events have long since eliminated this rule since it is in direct contravention of the "no physical contact allowed between players" concept and leads directly to physical alteractions on the field - for two reasons: first, because so many players have been educated in a rules system that does not allow physical contact that it takes them by surprise and second, because 'tagging' means different things to different people, from a gentle touch to an outright stab, and there is no reasonable way to monitor or control such behavoir. If I wanted to get someone kicked off the field for fighting, I guarantee I could deliver a barrel tag that would provoke them into taking a swing.
Its a bad idea all the way around and smells of weakening the rules for players who can't take a hit. If you don't want to get shot from 2 inches away at night, don't play. If you can't sneak up on someone in the dark, shoot them and then disappear again - don't use the tactic.
The barrel tag was instituted by many fields years ago as an alternative to the verbal surrender rule (because people were abusing the distance they called surrender from) and/or as an alternative to distance limits on shooting people - as in: if you are closer then ten feet, you may not shoot but you can barrel tag/ask for surrender.
Most good fields and most good events have long since eliminated this rule since it is in direct contravention of the "no physical contact allowed between players" concept and leads directly to physical alteractions on the field - for two reasons: first, because so many players have been educated in a rules system that does not allow physical contact that it takes them by surprise and second, because 'tagging' means different things to different people, from a gentle touch to an outright stab, and there is no reasonable way to monitor or control such behavoir. If I wanted to get someone kicked off the field for fighting, I guarantee I could deliver a barrel tag that would provoke them into taking a swing.
Its a bad idea all the way around and smells of weakening the rules for players who can't take a hit. If you don't want to get shot from 2 inches away at night, don't play. If you can't sneak up on someone in the dark, shoot them and then disappear again - don't use the tactic.
09/06/07 @ 19:04
To the guys that think it's cheesy to have a specific phrase like "Barrel Tag" I'll refer to my think like the real world comparison. There is a spirit to the rule. You just can't walk up to someone in real life and stab them anywhere you want and expect them to fall silently to the ground. BUT if you were trained as many of our special forces are, then you could expect that you could score a silent kill. So look at the reason behind the specific rules for a Barrel Tag in the same light. IF you follow the rules to the letter, the player is out. Hand them a card or say "you're dead" and you can assume that you stabbed them in the arm or gut and they still have some life left to fight back.
Just my humble opinion...
Just my humble opinion...
09/06/07 @ 20:18
Steve,
I was referring to it's use in scenario games.
As for the no physical contact rule, that happens at every game. I have seen people bump each other, run into each other and slide into each other. But as you read in the GSRP and even a little in Viper's rules, there is a type of BT. It does allow for some physical contact, even Spiro wrote in his rules that it is not covered under the no physical contact rule.
The idea behind it in scenario is one more of gameplay then safety. There is the safety aspect but more times then not I have had people tell me thank you for BT'ing them then for putting 8 balls in their back at 11 feet.
The whole idea of gauging shots is pretty retarded in my mind, most men can't tell you what 6 inches is much less 10 feet. I have seen where you have to be 11 feet but not 10, I have seen mandatory vs obligatory surrender calls and none of them work as well as the GSRP, time and time again. I don't like the person involved in it, but I was there and I have used it for lots of years and it is a document that works, cut and dry.
As for the shooting people up close, I have no issue with that. I shoot people in the head, in the face, in the neck, what have you on a regular basis. I would rather shoot you then barrel tag you, but doing that gets me in trouble. I have people go tell on the mean ole TB for shooting them too close or I could have asked them to surrender or whatever. So sometimes I BT, you give me away or cry about it, then next time you and your buddy get shot just that simple. But I don't think the use of BT denotes being a 'pussy' or having a lack of skill. In fact, mounting a large BT'ing expedition with paranoid people at a base, takes quite a bit of skill. But hey that's just me.
I guess this is another instance where the 'shooters' want to re-define my sport.
I was referring to it's use in scenario games.
As for the no physical contact rule, that happens at every game. I have seen people bump each other, run into each other and slide into each other. But as you read in the GSRP and even a little in Viper's rules, there is a type of BT. It does allow for some physical contact, even Spiro wrote in his rules that it is not covered under the no physical contact rule.
The idea behind it in scenario is one more of gameplay then safety. There is the safety aspect but more times then not I have had people tell me thank you for BT'ing them then for putting 8 balls in their back at 11 feet.
The whole idea of gauging shots is pretty retarded in my mind, most men can't tell you what 6 inches is much less 10 feet. I have seen where you have to be 11 feet but not 10, I have seen mandatory vs obligatory surrender calls and none of them work as well as the GSRP, time and time again. I don't like the person involved in it, but I was there and I have used it for lots of years and it is a document that works, cut and dry.
As for the shooting people up close, I have no issue with that. I shoot people in the head, in the face, in the neck, what have you on a regular basis. I would rather shoot you then barrel tag you, but doing that gets me in trouble. I have people go tell on the mean ole TB for shooting them too close or I could have asked them to surrender or whatever. So sometimes I BT, you give me away or cry about it, then next time you and your buddy get shot just that simple. But I don't think the use of BT denotes being a 'pussy' or having a lack of skill. In fact, mounting a large BT'ing expedition with paranoid people at a base, takes quite a bit of skill. But hey that's just me.
I guess this is another instance where the 'shooters' want to re-define my sport.
09/07/07 @ 09:33
Comment from: 10-shot kid [Visitor]
oh they want to redenfine it until the day someone gets pissed enough to bring down the thundah :)
Silence: I don't care for the real world comparison arguemnets. It's scenario paintball, end. A barrle tag is a nice way of saying "I didn't just blast your spine point blank."
Regardless I'm just going to say barrle tag from now on out, it's just that I don't like the idea :P
Silence: I don't care for the real world comparison arguemnets. It's scenario paintball, end. A barrle tag is a nice way of saying "I didn't just blast your spine point blank."
Regardless I'm just going to say barrle tag from now on out, it's just that I don't like the idea :P
09/07/07 @ 10:25
Comment from: Ninja [Visitor]
Barrel tagging is an art and great part of our sport. It is much harder to get in among the opposition, and BT them all out,then to simply start shooting. If you are aware that BT's are allowed at your game, then shame on you for letting someone you cant readily recognize get close enought to you for the BT. It adds a whole nother dimension to the game in my honest opinion.
09/07/07 @ 10:26
Comment from: radical [Visitor]
Amen Ninja, It is easy to shoot someone at night, it is a hell of a lot harder to BT them at night and wicked hard to do it in the daytime.
The people who don't like it are the ones who get burned by it. I guess they feel that you some had to have cheated to get that close to them. Most of the time they are the same ones griping abot a proper dead mans walk.
The people who don't like it are the ones who get burned by it. I guess they feel that you some had to have cheated to get that close to them. Most of the time they are the same ones griping abot a proper dead mans walk.
09/07/07 @ 20:19
Comment from: Mike Smith [Visitor]
This isn't a barrel tag story, but it is close. A "take the hit" story from a Brazos Survival Games Viper scenario back in the late 90's.
Tobacco {Team captain of TNT} was sitting at the campsite, beside his truck, eating some supper after it got dark. He heard another group on his radio channel, and one of their members is whining that he's lost. I don't remember the name of the lost player, so we'll call that member.... Brad...
Brad calls his teammates and asks where they are and tells them he is lost. His teammates try to tell him where they are, but Brad radios back that it is too dark for him to see anything. They ask him to describe his surroundings and he does the best he can. They say they don't know where he is at. Tobacco jumps on the radio and tells Brad he is 15 feet in front of him and asks Brad if he wants to be shot point-blank or if he wants to take the hit. After a short silence, Brad keys his radio and tells Tobacco he will take the hit. Brad then tells his teammates he's out and will meet them at their vehicle.
Tobacco got an elimination while he sat at his truck, eating his supper...
Tobacco {Team captain of TNT} was sitting at the campsite, beside his truck, eating some supper after it got dark. He heard another group on his radio channel, and one of their members is whining that he's lost. I don't remember the name of the lost player, so we'll call that member.... Brad...
Brad calls his teammates and asks where they are and tells them he is lost. His teammates try to tell him where they are, but Brad radios back that it is too dark for him to see anything. They ask him to describe his surroundings and he does the best he can. They say they don't know where he is at. Tobacco jumps on the radio and tells Brad he is 15 feet in front of him and asks Brad if he wants to be shot point-blank or if he wants to take the hit. After a short silence, Brad keys his radio and tells Tobacco he will take the hit. Brad then tells his teammates he's out and will meet them at their vehicle.
Tobacco got an elimination while he sat at his truck, eating his supper...
09/08/07 @ 05:56
Comment from: Mike Smith [Visitor]
Is the above post from the original arrogant, egotistical, know-it-all Steve Davidson that's been around paintball forever?
If so, he'll fit right in around here.
If so, he'll fit right in around here.
09/08/07 @ 06:00
Comment from: radical [Visitor]
I think that was at Cut-n-shoot. i rember hearing that on the radio and laughing about it. But I think Nick from RPM was there and I am pretty sure he started at Cut-n-shoot. Could bewrong, still a great story.
09/08/07 @ 20:00
Comment from: Mike Smith [Visitor]
No it was at Brazos.
At Cut-n-Shoot, he had the other team wake their General at 11:00 PM under the pretense of anointing him with a magic paintball that would make him incapable of dying the next day. Turned out it was a poison pill paintball and Tobacco got a General kill and was allowed to walk away. As they walked away from the opposing general, they handed the poison pill card to the base ref, who eliminated the General after Tobacco left the scene.
Also, I forgot a part of the "take the hit" story. Brad was describing his position to his teammates and mentioned a large bush in front of him. They didn't know where Brad was, but Tobacco said that he was hiding directly behind that bush, could clearly see Brad, and did not want to shoot Brad that close. That's when Brad "took the hit".
At Cut-n-Shoot, he had the other team wake their General at 11:00 PM under the pretense of anointing him with a magic paintball that would make him incapable of dying the next day. Turned out it was a poison pill paintball and Tobacco got a General kill and was allowed to walk away. As they walked away from the opposing general, they handed the poison pill card to the base ref, who eliminated the General after Tobacco left the scene.
Also, I forgot a part of the "take the hit" story. Brad was describing his position to his teammates and mentioned a large bush in front of him. They didn't know where Brad was, but Tobacco said that he was hiding directly behind that bush, could clearly see Brad, and did not want to shoot Brad that close. That's when Brad "took the hit".
09/09/07 @ 10:55
Comment from: radical [Visitor]
I think you are right, Nick and Donnie went down before they formed RPM as a big team.
09/09/07 @ 20:10
Comment from: Indy [Visitor]
Mike, all that was actually Spiro's doing. Tobacco sprinkled the poison, but the setup was Spiro's plan. I was standing there when it happened. Good stuff.
09/10/07 @ 08:27
Comment from: Term Papers [Visitor] · http://www.ghostpapers.com
Some allow off gun, some allow on gun, but the end result is the same. The person is eliminated and you didn’t have to fire a shot.
01/21/10 @ 23:17
Comment from: Repoman [Visitor]
the reason I do not scream out that I am dead or OUT if/when I am Barrel taggged is simple:
I would like the same from those I find under my knife
I would like the same from those I find under my knife
01/26/10 @ 16:31
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